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You aren't kidding about the shoes - back in the Born to Run days I started running in Vibram 5 fingers as a last ditch effort to help with knee pain. Later in racing flats. Though they made my feet sore, they worked better than the trainers I had been using and mostly cleared up my knee pain. Not anymore - based on your writing and talking to some runner friends, I'm alternating a pair of Pegasus's and Cliftons and I've never been this pain free. It's a different world.

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Peter Attia also has a great YouTube Short of him on his indoor trainer showing an example of Zone 2 based off effort. You can definitely tell he’s putting in some work, so not quite the purely conversational effort that you usually hear people say. This is what I have always based “my” Zone 2 off of and its been working great so far! 👍

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